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Jan 06, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Only bloodspike that ever came close to dominating was mordrid knight's team, and the only time I ever faced him was when he was holding and we kicked him out pretty easy (I know it's 2v1, I'm not bragging, just stating).
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Jan 07, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Zealand FTW
Guild: Ex Talionis [Law]
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Im am admittedly way more scared of balanced teams in an 8v8 situation. Spikes, while will be present in many shapes and forms, will not be able to cope with the pressure from even a defensive balanced team. CG rangers and PD Ele/Me or Me/Ele will be more than enough shutdown.
I can almost see a 4 person backline in something like a SB Infuser,RC/Divert prot, WoH/Lod, with off monk support in an angelic bonder/incoming hybrid paragon being the norm. |
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Jan 07, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51
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Banned
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Jan 07, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Zealand FTW
Guild: Ex Talionis [Law]
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Which is exactly why i think a VoD situation in annihaltion matchs would be perfect. But still, 8v8 is FTW.
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Jan 07, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: W/E
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Jan 07, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13
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Banned
Join Date: Apr 2005
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pointless? maybe. Quote:
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Jan 07, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Yea, the difference is that as player number increases, the more you can counter builds. The only iway I ever had problems with was MATH's, although I never got to play them with a guild/friendslist group (well, I did, and we had an err7 about 20 seconds into the match). I never had a problem with bloodspike unless it was a pug, which I really didn't care about cause pugs suck. In 6v6, A.K.A. BuildWars, I get rolled by certain builds due to what I'm running, not who I'm running with.
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Jan 07, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15
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Academy Page
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: Your Dirty Secret [lies]
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Really, i agree with the sentiment that changing to 8v8 right now is a mistake, before the skill balancing at least, but not because of the way that the OP presented it.
It's because of the added utility that any build can get through unbalanced NF skills. Bspike fueled with a jagged MM = Infinite Energy = Infinite Heal and Spikes 5 Steady Stance Wars 2 Motivation Para 1 Orders Derv= Mass Condition + Energy Loss 1 Ava of Melandru Wearying Strike Derv 4-5 SPiritual Pain 2-3 Monks = Spammable DW everywhere that can be capitalized with spikes Eurospike in HA = Semi-HOlding to HOlding build that has potential to kill almost everything Spirit Forest = ughhh All of these builds can be countered with the right skills (what fotm can't), but because of added utility, they now have more of a chance to overcome their build's sheer ineffectiveness against another build with higher spike/damage potential, or additional defense or prot or counters versus counters =] As people have said before, the real problem with this expansion is not with the number of skills, but the damage that several key skills cause.....I believe that Anet believed that strengthening the monk skill lines would be a nice balance, but it can't compensate for the sheer raw damage caused by these skills while running mulitple copies or in synergy with other skills........ Anet really messed up when they introduced skills without a true balancing, and now they are paying for it...... But really, we won't have 8v8 for a looooong time, as to rectify all of the damage they have done through negligence will take Anet a while to clear up...... Edit: And Btw OP, using an Invoke Lightning Spike as one of your examples is just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid.......There are enough non-elite skills that can be used to spike without sacrificing the elite spot........My god, if you were gonna go air spike you should have put some Fast Cast Mes spikes if anything......... Last edited by Mr Dbest; Jan 07, 2007 at 11:35 PM // 23:35.. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Oct 2005
Guild: Volcano Insurance Salesmen [scam]
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the op is gone dudes.
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Jan 09, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Portugal
Guild: Group Therapy [HUG]
Profession: Mo/Me
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regarding the builds in the first post , with 8v8 u will have room to have decent backline and good offensive, including ritualists with shelter or paragon with incoming. these 2 skills alone can bend over any of these spikes
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Jan 09, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2006
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The moderators on these forums, being 8v8 moderators are deleting every subsequent post im posting here and in my own thread lol. I have played 6 man Invoke lightning (4 invokers, 2 monks), It steamrolls everything when played right (Gaze of Contempt GG).... And some one said what do you do if the other team brings SB..... CHANGE TARGETS! You do an invoke spike, followed up by an Orb spike, then pick of survivors with lightning strike, almost 100% garantee that the enemy team will be dead. And bringing back 8v8 will make it even more worse. *PLEASE STOP DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE THEY CLARIFY THAT 8V8 IS IMBALANCED*. Last edited by bhavv; Jan 09, 2007 at 10:42 AM // 10:42.. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
Profession: Mo/
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as for changing your targets, its not a spike if you can only get half of it off. dropping invoke, then deciding to switch is absolutely worthless. sb still beats out your now gimped spike. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2006
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SB is useless. Every spike team i were ever in during 8v8 always looked for the SB infuse at the start of every match, kept them targetted and spiked. As soon as we saw SB, change target spike, wait 15 secs, kill SB/infuse.
SB is useless. Yes it quite really is. If 8v8 was to come back, I wouldnt waste a monks elite slot on it. Last edited by bhavv; Jan 09, 2007 at 11:18 AM // 11:18.. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
Profession: Mo/
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example, your invoke hits, monk responds with sb, the rest of your spike is dead. if sb was pre cast, your spike goes no where at all to start with. all thats needed is a little WASD to avoid your orbs, and you now have almost no dmg. also, last time i checked, ps was still run as well. once again, another skill that ends your spikes chances. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
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You cant just post xxx is overpowered without clear and extensive arguments backing up your claims... furthermore... when other posters point out weaknesses and you refuse to acknowledge them... you lose all credibility. for example if u bring gaze of contempt as your only enchant removal... that character with gaze of contempt will be interrupted. There is nothing to stop PD from interrupting it. No enchant removal = no spiking. A good prot monk will pre prot your most likely targets... and you will be doing 40-50 dmg per hit from 4-6 people... which is barely enough to take someone to half health. He will be Ele/Nec i presume... so no more mantra resolve... and only glyph of conc. Pd goes thru that. Thats 5 eles... spiking without any enchant removal. lets say you depend on mantra resolve... one of my warriors will most certainly have wild blow... dervishes definately bring it in their bars... so mantra of resolve will be stripped on at least one of your other spikers... and any other interrupters i have in my team will sit on that spiker without mantra of resolve. So you are left with... 4 spikers with no enchant removal before spike. Even if you did spec drain enchant into your build... good luck finding the energy to use it... your eles need to keep wards up constantly... keep mantra resolve up constantly... and keep air attunement up... and spike with 15 energy spells. air attunements will most certainly be stripped on a couple of your eles... which means they will have NO nrg management. And if they rely on drain enchant every 30 seconds which only gives a net gain of less than 10 energy now.... your eles are going to have huge nrg problems. You will most certainly need a BiP necro... especially for the 2 monks. TWO MONKS???? two monks trying to keep alive 6 spikers... as well as themselves... is practically impossible. How do you expect to survive on altar matches... the other 2 teams might decide to attack you because you are a spike team. Honestly... i would really like to see who will be willing to monk in your 2 monk backline. They must be the best monks in the game. SB isnt used primarily to protect the entire team... the fact you dont know what SB is used for highlights your poor experience as a player in a balanced team... it also explains your inability to cover all aspects of the requirements of a successful build. as i said in previous posts... a perfect spike is rare. VERY rare. Especially with vent lag... ingame lag... and human error. Ive witnessed very few spike guilds who had played with eachother for so long that they had ironed out these factors and had actually timed their individual players perfectly to the caller. They had perfect spikes... but even they couldnt keep it up 24/7. And even they didnt win all the time. Perfect spikes have never become the dominating build in the meta... since perfect spikes are so difficult to pull off you depend more and more on your follow up dmg. And this is where the infuser comes into play and ruins your spike attempts. Firstly... because your spike will rarely be perfect... not only because of the difficulty of performing a perfect spike but because of the MANY things i can do to disrupt 1 or 2 of your spikers.... there will be a small delay in the spike. Its not hard to find a good infuser... especially after the last season of gvg, many monks have had to brush up on their infuse skills. The only players who will have problems with infusing are the post nightfall monks... who have come to rely on incoming and paragons to mitigate spike dmg meaning split second infusing in HA is almost never needed. anyway... the slightest delay in your spike will provide opportunity for the spike to be infused. And as i mentioned in earlier posts... every spike that you fail... increases the pressure your 2 monks have to heal against. If my infuser is catching your spikes... you will need to spike him out in order to win, but the infuser is the most important part of my team when i fight you. He will use Spellbreaker to protect himself... and i assure you the prot monk will be cycling prot spells on him... the power healer will certainly be seeding him whenever he can. And he wont be within easy reach of your spikers.. which means your whole team will have to move out of your wards in order to spike him. But wards are you main defense... if you cant tell already.. i rarely lose to spikes in 8vs8 but when i do lose to them... i recognise their skill and their build. Your posts do not come close to convincing me that you will be leading one of these respectable spike teams. PLEASE STOP POSTING THIS NONSENSE UNTIL YOU SHOW THE MODS YOU ARE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THINGS THOUGHTFULLY its no wonder your posts are being deleted. entertaining tho! thanks for the laugh! |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:41 AM // 11:41
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Re:tired
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Your posts are being deleted because you lack the ability to type in a mature and sensible manner. Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, your posts are trash and just make this forum look bad. Stop flaming, stop thinking like a twelve year old, or stop posting. |
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
Profession: Mo/
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Jan 09, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UK, Scotland
Guild: Il Guild Name Il
Profession: W/
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This thread is rediculous and whats more rediculous is the trash that the OP posts.
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Jan 09, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: Mo/N
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Spiking with Invoke is probably the worst thing I have heard to spike with. In an earlier post you said to bring back Heroes, please stop crying about not being able to get fame without them. Heroes are fame farmers kinda how you also cried about the possible return of IWAY and Bloodspike (also known as fame farming techniques) Besides why would you cry about Bloodspike when you say you have played a spike team. Spikes are all the same, the execution of the spike is the only difference See what happens when we have 6v6 double fame weekend? It brings some good people, and then idiots like this Quote:
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Jan 09, 2007, 01:36 PM // 13:36
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Re:tired
Join Date: Nov 2005
Profession: W/
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